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Any orders placed yet?
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satsumavictory
Active member
just got this from Jeep chat "I can see all the required materials for your order have been gathered and the plant has sequenced your order for production, it should be entering the build very soon!" Order date is 1/13/2022
Trailhawk? Got the same message today
catsartcox
Well-known member
Anyone with 4xe’s got a recent update?
GCOverland
Well-known member
Congrats!
I assume you ordered the 4xe? Great to hear that the tax break is credited on a lease. I've seen that with other plug-in hybrids before but not all manufacturers are giving that credit to the customer when leasing.
Hopefully, the MF and residual isn't much worse than on the regular ones. On a Volvo XC60 I checked out once, almost the entire credit was 'swallowed' by a worse than normal lease offer. Also curious if auto insurance will be higher which is the case on some hybrids, too.
price.fallin
Active member
I checked with Jeep chat today and they said it's still awaiting parts. I'm going to try my dealer tomorrow to see if he's heard of anything.
If chat says they are still waiting for parts, dealer wont tell u anything different.
I would advise all of you that are in the queue to realize that the system has many flaws in the process. Here are the notes from my current process:
1/8/22
Ordered
1/11/22
VIN Provided
1/24/22
Thank you for your patience, I can see
all the required materials for your new
Jeep Grand Cherokee have been gathered
and the plant has sequenced your order
for production. It is currently waiting
for its specific spot on the line to
start production. Each build is assigned
a location it has to start in. It should
be starting very soon, but does not provide
a timeline. I'm sure you can't wait for
this to be completed!
1/26
Received email from Jeep stating vehicle
will be delivered the week of 3/3/21
2/1
Crytostickers provided Build Sheet is available
as well as Monroney Label (Window Sticker)
2/1
Approved for shipment but not scheduled.
Has been shipped to storage until scheduled
Yes, you will receive dates when vehicle is
ready to begin shipping.
2/3
Thank you so much for holding. I am showing
that your vehicle is in the shipping stage,
however, a Dealer ETA has not been provided.
I would recommend contacting us again next
week to check if an ETA is provided for your
vehicle order.
2/7
I am showing that your vehicle is in the
hipping stage. Current Dealer ETA is
2/18/22-3/1/22
2/10
I am showing that your vehicle is in the
shipping stage. Current Dealer ETA is
2/17/22-3/1/22
2/17
Thank you, taking a look over the
information I am showing the order is
completed and the delivery date will be
02/18/2022 - 03/01/2022 to the dealer.
2/18
Vehicle has arrived at the railyard
Port Allen, La which is 125 miles from
the dealership
1/8/22
Ordered
1/11/22
VIN Provided
1/24/22
Thank you for your patience, I can see
all the required materials for your new
Jeep Grand Cherokee have been gathered
and the plant has sequenced your order
for production. It is currently waiting
for its specific spot on the line to
start production. Each build is assigned
a location it has to start in. It should
be starting very soon, but does not provide
a timeline. I'm sure you can't wait for
this to be completed!
1/26
Received email from Jeep stating vehicle
will be delivered the week of 3/3/21
2/1
Crytostickers provided Build Sheet is available
as well as Monroney Label (Window Sticker)
2/1
Approved for shipment but not scheduled.
Has been shipped to storage until scheduled
Yes, you will receive dates when vehicle is
ready to begin shipping.
2/3
Thank you so much for holding. I am showing
that your vehicle is in the shipping stage,
however, a Dealer ETA has not been provided.
I would recommend contacting us again next
week to check if an ETA is provided for your
vehicle order.
2/7
I am showing that your vehicle is in the
hipping stage. Current Dealer ETA is
2/18/22-3/1/22
2/10
I am showing that your vehicle is in the
shipping stage. Current Dealer ETA is
2/17/22-3/1/22
2/17
Thank you, taking a look over the
information I am showing the order is
completed and the delivery date will be
02/18/2022 - 03/01/2022 to the dealer.
2/18
Vehicle has arrived at the railyard
Port Allen, La which is 125 miles from
the dealership
JeepFanChicago
Active member
What are the flaws in the process? All of that seems pretty logical with only some minor date changes which I think are expected.
satsumavictory
Active member
damn your car is so close to me. I am across the river in Baton Rouge. Maybe I will drive by the railyard and pick your car up, since mine is still waiting for sequencing. Which dealer did you order from? I ended up going out of state for that sweet 8.5% discount since the BR delaers all wanted to charge me MSRP.
satsumavictory
Active member
I think he is trying to say that while people are waiting for more than 2 months to get into production, his car is already available to be picked up. Thats a huge flaw IMO.
I don't think the process is completely illogical, it just could use some tweaking.
As an example - how about better tracking throughout the process. It would be nice to be able to get an update as it enters each gateway -
1) Congratulations, your new car has been ordered and the factory has accepted the order and is assembling the parts. Under normal conditions, this takes 3-5 days but due to COVID, we've been seeing this run on average 14 days.
2) The parts have been sourced and we are waiting on a firm production date to sequence your Jeep. This typically takes 5-7 days.
3) Your car has been scheduled to begin production on 2/22, expect this process to take roughly 2-3 days assuming no issues.
4) Your car has begun production
5) Your car is in assembly
6) Your is getting its drivetrain
7) Your car is getting its interior
While you as an individual might want their build queue to be “first in, first out” (aka FIFO), I would expect that they have instead designed it to maximize efficiency, increasing overall throughput. That allows them to serve the most customers the fastest, even if it means some orders take longer than others.
Using completely made up numbers, imagine a FIFO queue in which every order is served in exactly 6 weeks, versus an efficiency queue in which the majority of orders are served in 4 weeks, but a small number are served in 8. I get that when you’re the guy whose order takes longer, it might feel flawed, but when you consider the big picture, it’s the right move to make.
Using completely made up numbers, imagine a FIFO queue in which every order is served in exactly 6 weeks, versus an efficiency queue in which the majority of orders are served in 4 weeks, but a small number are served in 8. I get that when you’re the guy whose order takes longer, it might feel flawed, but when you consider the big picture, it’s the right move to make.
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Yup I ordered the 4xe. Hopefully I haven't been lied to about that tax break I confirmed it with 8 dealerships when doing my shopping. I think the Residual will actually be a little better than the non plug in just based on the wrangler 4xe vs regular but who knows. Most of of the FCA stuff seems to hover around that 2.49%/0.00104 area but again who knows what it will be when it comes in. Still waiting to hear back from my insurance rep on the pricing for my build because he just doesn't have those numbers yet. He doesn't seem to think it will be anymore expensive than my current vehicle but I have a 2019 Range Rover Velar so I expect it to be cheaper. It better be lol
The federal EV tax credit applies to the “party for which state title passes for the first time.”
www.irs.gov
www.irs.gov
(The quoted phrase is from the FAQ, under “Sales Definition Clarification.”)
Since the title passes to the leasing company, they get the tax credit (and even if you’re ”leasing to own,” they’re still the party for which state title passes for the first time). Many leasing agencies will “pass on” the credit by factoring it into the lease, but it’s not required. The only party that can tell you for sure is the leasing agency.
Here are a couple pages that say the same.
www.carsdirect.com
I think FCA (technically Chrysler Capital, I think?) issues a lease discount for the full value of the credit, but I couldn’t find that from a reliable enough source to give you a link.
Credits for new electric vehicles purchased in 2022 or before | Internal Revenue Service
If you bought or leased a new, qualified plug-in electric vehicle (EV) in 2022 or before, you may be eligible for a clean vehicle tax credit up to $7,500 under IRC 30D.
30D Manufacturer FAQs | Internal Revenue Service
30D Manufacturer Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs).
Since the title passes to the leasing company, they get the tax credit (and even if you’re ”leasing to own,” they’re still the party for which state title passes for the first time). Many leasing agencies will “pass on” the credit by factoring it into the lease, but it’s not required. The only party that can tell you for sure is the leasing agency.
Here are a couple pages that say the same.
EV Tax Credit: 2024 Changes, How It Works, Eligible EVs
The 2024 EV tax credit can make an electric car more affordable, but there are pros & cons worth knowing about before buying or leasing an electric car.
Electric Vehicle Tax Credits 2024: What You Need to Know | Edmunds
How does the electric car tax credit work? Read our analysis, plus see a full list of cars that qualify for an EV tax credit. We also cover how you can get the credit as a discount when buying or leasing.
www.edmunds.com
I think FCA (technically Chrysler Capital, I think?) issues a lease discount for the full value of the credit, but I couldn’t find that from a reliable enough source to give you a link.
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I completely understand from a FIFO perspective, I’m okay with the fact that they need to sequence based on supply constraints and ship based on geography and logistics. I’m more focused on transparency of process with appropriate caveats. Just tell us what’s been done and what’s next. I would love it to be as transparent as the Dominos pizza app 
”Dear future Jeep owner,I completely understand from a FIFO perspective, I’m okay with the fact that they need to sequence based on supply constraints and ship based on geography and logistics. I’m more focused on transparency of process with appropriate caveats. Just tell us what’s been done and what’s next. I would love it to be as transparent as the Dominos pizza app
Your car has completed cheese, and is now awaiting pepperonI.”
satsumavictory
Active member
we are out of peperoni so your order has been moved to the back of the queue!