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Low Resting Battery Voltage

jugdish

Well-known member
Any of ya'll have a voltage tester that can post what the resting voltage is on your battery? Our GCL has been to the dealer 4 times now. Nothing ever gets done except for software updates and ECU flashing. Have a ticket with Jeep cares and haven't heard back in 5 days from them. I paid to replace the rear hatch module as dealer stated it wouldn't be covered by warranty. Then the #2 pinch sensor was shorting to ground. Dealer did nothing. I pulled the rear hatch apart myself and cleaned the connector to the pinch sensor and that code cleared.

However, the battery is constantly reading 12.25 Volts resting. A new battery should be sitting at 12.6 volts. Dealer says battery is fine. Getting tired of all the electrical gremlins in this thing.
 

eleceng1979

Well-known member
Battery type is AGM, resting volts should be 12.85V at 100% SOC. Obviously, a true resting volts is with no load. Despite a key off condition, there is always some load.

As batteries age and lose capacity, this resting volts would decrease. Have you had dead batteries? Jump started? A dead battery and jump starting are the worst things for battery longevity.

Buy a quality automatic charger for AGM batteries, place it in the GCL (not overnight or unsupervised) and bring it to full SOC. Then drive normal for a week and record the resting volts prior to every drive. If it decays or plummets fast you clearly have problems. If you drive short trips with frequent starts your discharging more than charging. If you have a V6 with auto stop enabled, this could explain it also.
 

Mzwy

Member
Jug,
I’ll try to give the quick version, sorry for the long response. And sorry if I tell you stuff you already know.
As ee79 said, nominal voltage for this battery should be 12.8-12.9 under no load. As stated, Just being connected to the car puts a minimal load on the battery for things like alarms and clocks or whatever so the theoretical 100% state of charge won’t necessarily always be observed. The other thing is that as the battery ages, 100% gradually becomes unattainable. The last thing I’ll say is if you open car door to pop the hood, you won’t be reading resting voltage because the displays come on and the car powers some other untold number of things (you can hear what sounds like some type of fan under the hood near the back of the instrument cluster very quietly running for 3-5 minutes that costs about .1v from what I’ve noticed as well as what sounds like the motors for the air conditioning duct system cycling two times after the “key” is off. In this case the load doesn’t shed for several minutes and then resting voltage takes some amount of time to come back up. I can’t say exactly how long, but at least an hour or two probably. Maybe more.

When I had the battery drain issue, my battery would only charge to about 12.3-12.4v with an AGM charger. I charged it at the remote terminals. After it rested for several hours it would usually read 12.2-12.3v. This reading was also taken at the remote charging terminals under the hood with a standard electrical multimeter.

All of that to say this: one night I ripped the battery cover and AC vents out and disconnected the main battery. Read the voltage on the battery terminals. It was close to what I had been reading under the hood before disconnecting the main. For grins i went back to the remote terminals and I was still getting 5-6 volts on the meter with the main battery disconnected. If I opened and closed the door the car’s displays were still trying to come on! It dawned on me that I had isolated the aux battery and it was in fact tied to the remote terminals as well as the car’s electrical system and it was reading 5-6 volts. I thought I had found my problem so I accessed the aux battery under the passenger seat and took a reading, sure enough 5 or 6 volts. When I disconnected the aux there was no longer power at the remote terminals….or the car.

Out of curiosity I reconnected the aux, checked voltage, then connected the main and checked voltage on the aux. To my surprise, the aux was up a volt or two and the main was down some amount. When I pulled the terminals off again the aux was back down, main was back up. What it appears is that these batteries are not isolated from each other and, despite being very different capacity-wise, are connected in parallel. I disconnected and then charged both batteries fully and when I checked the resting voltage the next day (batteries still disconnected) the aux was 12.8 and the main was back down to lower/mid 12’s voltage. The dealership diagnostic ID’d a bad main battery. To be honest I’m not sure that they tested the aux.

Bottom line is this, I had a what I believe to be a failing cell in my main battery (probably due to multiple deep drains) and it was “stealing” charge from the aux battery. This was after the latch was replaced, but I knew the battery wasn’t healthy prior to that because I had been watching it.
In your case, it appears one of the batteries is getting near the end of its life, but still might be testing “fine” as the dealer says as long as the current it’s providing is within their parameters. Or you still have something in the background draining it…but I hope not!
 

eleceng1979

Well-known member
Your statement above about the aux battery powering the vehicles electrical system, not the starter is a huge red flag. I do not have access to the schematics, but the aux battery’s job is to start the vehicle due to stop/start fuel saving I thought. What you described above should not happen in my opinion. Aux is aux loads only, vehicle is vehicle loads only. No mixing.

There has to be at least dumb diode isolation to prevent the aux battery from powering the vehicle loads. To be honest I would expect some sort of automated contactor to isolate it via the ecu.

I have a V8 and no aux battery, so no real knowledge. I have read multiple post about such issues with the aux battery. Your post above seems to point a glaring finger to the lack of or malfunctioning isolation between the two batteries. 2 Batteries of equal capacity in parallel is problematic if not done properly due to current sharing. More than 2 equal capacities in parallel is a sin. Using 2 different capacities, with isolation is a challenge to ensure longevity, let alone possibly a malfunctioning isolation. You cannot charge 2 different capacity batteries from a single alternator without shutting off the smaller battery, it will be overcharged once it stops accepting charging current and enters the absorption phase. Meanwhile the large vehicle battery is not charged and alternator continues charging the larger, cooking the smaller.

An overcharged battery will destroy cells faster than multiple deep discharges.
 
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Mzwy

Member
Your statement above about the aux battery powering the vehicles electrical system, not the starter is a huge red flag. I do not have access to the schematics, but the aux battery’s job is to start the vehicle due to stop/start fuel saving I thought. What you described above should not happen in my opinion. Aux is aux loads only, vehicle is vehicle loads only. No mixing.

There has to be at least dumb diode isolation to prevent the aux battery from powering the vehicle loads. To be honest I would expect some sort of automated contactor to isolate it via the ecu.

I have a V8 and no aux battery, so no real knowledge. I have read multiple post about such issues with the aux battery. Your post above seems to point a glaring finger to the lack of or malfunctioning isolation between the two batteries. 2 Batteries of equal capacity in parallel is problematic if not done properly due to current sharing. More than 2 equal capacities in parallel is a sin. Using 2 different capacities, with isolation is a challenge to ensure longevity, let alone possibly a malfunctioning isolation. You cannot charge 2 different capacity batteries from a single alternator without shutting off the smaller battery, it will be overcharged once it stops accepting charging current and enters the absorption phase. Meanwhile the large vehicle battery is not charged and alternator continues charging the larger, cooking the smaller.

An overcharged battery will destroy cells faster than multiple deep discharges.
Agree. It seemed strange to me too. Maybe when the car is running the power is managed differently but when it was off that’s what I had. As far the aux battery, I think it’s function is actually to power systems while the engine shuts off and the main battery still handles restarting the engine. Details from the manual are pretty scarce…
 
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