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Extra set of wheels?

RichSNJ

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So I am eagerly awaiting my '22 GCL Summit Reserve with the 21 inch wheels and tires. I currently have a '19 GC O HA with 20 inch wheels and the Pirelli Scorpion Verde M+S tires, and honestly they're ok for light snow, but nothing major and certainly not for anything muddy, as I learned after Hurricane Ida came to town last year.

In addition, I've been watching lots of videos saying how bad 20 inch and over wheels are for doing anything that's not on pavement. For instance, I watched a video where they compared a Bronco to a Wrangler to a Land Rover on an off road course, which really had nothing super serious on it. The Land Rover had 20 inch rims and they blew a tire going over a small rock (maybe 3-4" tall) which happened to be angled in such a way that the 20 inch rims weren't happy with it, but looking at it from my armchair position, it really didn't seem like something which should have blown the tire. They put the spare on, and it immediately blew the tire even though they were going super slowly and carefully over the rock. They had to abandon the Land Rover on the trail and go back for it a couple of days later. Meanwhile the Bronco and Wrangler, both with 18 inch wheels, had no issues. The presenters said that they weren't that surprised because the low profile tires on 20 inch rims don't have the give to take any kind of serious stress, while the 18's would have no issues. I've seen other presenters say the exact same thing.

To that end, I'm seriously considering purchasing an extra set of 18 inch wheels with K02 tires on them to be used mostly in the winter. Does anybody on here do this?

My concerns are the TPMS sensors and speedometer calibration. I think that the TPMS sensors automatically get picked up by the car with no user intervention, but I'm not sure if that includes switching between 2 complete sets.

The speedometer is a different story. The '22 GCL spec sheet lists the "Revs" for the various wheel size options on each trim. I think it's like 419 for the 21" and 422 for the 18". Is this something that can be easily entered into the car system somehow? I've heard that there are various OBD systems that can do this based on known distance driven, but that they may not work because of the firewall on FCA cars... I don't want to have to go to the dealer every time I want to switch wheels...
 

Sarge

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I have a set of WK2 20" wheels I'm using for my snow tires, but the appropriate TPMS sensors for our cars are on backorder so I have to live with the TPMS warning until whenever they start shipping sensors. The wheels fit perfectly, but I have no idea how to make it 'swap' sensors b/c they aren't selling them right now.
 

RichSNJ

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I have a set of WK2 20" wheels I'm using for my snow tires, but the appropriate TPMS sensors for our cars are on backorder so I have to live with the TPMS warning until whenever they start shipping sensors. The wheels fit perfectly, but I have no idea how to make it 'swap' sensors b/c they aren't selling them right now.
Did you address the speedometer issue at all, or are you ok with it being off?
 

freethinked

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The exact error depends on the tires not the wheels. Because you are going to use a different tire than the stock tire that comes on the 18” wheels then the error will be different.
 

Sarge

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Did you address the speedometer issue at all, or are you ok with it being off?
My Snow tires (Michelin X-Ice SUV Snow 265/50/20) are the same size as stock. If your tires are larger, the speedo is a little low and your warranty lasts a few extra miles, which, given the insane amount of electrical problems I've had starting around day 2, is a good thing.... However, you can't fit much larger tires due to the very weird design of the knuckle on the front suspension.
 

MrBreeze

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Sidewalls do matter off road. With that said, those in the video actually contributed to the tire failures due to airing down the 20" tires on the Defender. While a standard practice to garner more tire contact patch while rock crawling, that would be on a tire with a much larger and stronger sidewall.
I too am considering a 2nd set of wheels/tires for my WL74 SR just for off roading - I would prefer 18's there may be an issue with brake clearance on the V8 models. I can't yet confirm that, but something to look into further before making a purchase.
 

SweetAndLow

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I'm running the 18" trailhawk wheels for my snowtires, blizzak DM-V2's. For the TPMS they are an auto relearn processes so you just have to swap the wheels/tires and drive for 20min @15mph or faster and they will go through the relearn processes. Right now you can only use OEM tpms until the aftermarket sensors catch up. The problem there is that the OEM sensors are impossible to find.

As for the speedometer, that depends on if you are going with a different diameter tire. You can't actually go much larger than the OEM size because you will run into issues with the upper control arm.

I don't need any extra ground clearance from larger tires so I just stick with stock size 265/60r18. If you are only going to use them for winter you should look at a winter tire not the KO2's. Depends on where you live and what temps you are working with. Winter tires are designed for temps in the 40's or lower.
 

Sarge

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Also worth noting, for anyone looking at snow tires: I've had Blizzaks almost exclusively for decades, and they have one major drawback. Only the top third of the tread blocks have the special soft/sticky compound that makes them perform well in the snow, whereas the new Michelin X-Ice SUV Snow tires have the SAME compound all the way through the tread blocks, so they essentially last longer with the same performance. I have Blizzaks on my Xterra and BMW wagon currently that are a couple years old (winter use only), and they are are noticeably less grippy than the new Michelins (as you might expect anyway comparing used/new), but the Michelins are also a bit better than the Blizzaks were when they were new. I'll be choosing the Michelins for the other cars in a year or two, I expect.
 

RichSNJ

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The exact error depends on the tires not the wheels. Because you are going to use a different tire than the stock tire that comes on the 18” wheels then the error will be different.
I know, but I was unable to find a tire for an 18" rim which exactly matched the diameter of the 21" rimmed tire. I think the issue is that the 21's are 9 inches wide while the 18's are only 8, so the mm's don't match up. It's close, but not exact. Since Jeep lists different "revs" for the each tire size, I assume that they just adjust them to match the tire size.
 

RichSNJ

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Sidewalls do matter off road. With that said, those in the video actually contributed to the tire failures due to airing down the 20" tires on the Defender. While a standard practice to garner more tire contact patch while rock crawling, that would be on a tire with a much larger and stronger sidewall.
I too am considering a 2nd set of wheels/tires for my WL74 SR just for off roading - I would prefer 18's there may be an issue with brake clearance on the V8 models. I can't yet confirm that, but something to look into further before making a purchase.
I don't remember exactly, but I think they purposely did not air down the spare and it still blew.. But I may be wrong and I don't feel like find it :)
 

RichSNJ

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I'm running the 18" trailhawk wheels for my snowtires, blizzak DM-V2's. For the TPMS they are an auto relearn processes so you just have to swap the wheels/tires and drive for 20min @15mph or faster and they will go through the relearn processes. Right now you can only use OEM tpms until the aftermarket sensors catch up. The problem there is that the OEM sensors are impossible to find.

As for the speedometer, that depends on if you are going with a different diameter tire. You can't actually go much larger than the OEM size because you will run into issues with the upper control arm.

I don't need any extra ground clearance from larger tires so I just stick with stock size 265/60r18. If you are only going to use them for winter you should look at a winter tire not the KO2's. Depends on where you live and what temps you are working with. Winter tires are designed for temps in the 40's or lower.

I wanted to stick to the Jeep stock 265/60r18's but couldn't find a tire with the same diameter as the 275/45r21's on the SR. It's close but not exact, and I just don't know how off they would be without researching and doing math.

As far as the K02's, I know that they aren't exactly a snow tire, but they are a very good all around all terrain tire which is also severe snow rated. So, best of all worlds... I haven't really seen anybody say anything bad about them. While I'm not looking to take my 73k jeep rock crawling, it is a freaking jeep and if I want to drive on a rock beach or something, I'd rather have the k02's...
 

RichSNJ

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Sidewalls do matter off road. With that said, those in the video actually contributed to the tire failures due to airing down the 20" tires on the Defender. While a standard practice to garner more tire contact patch while rock crawling, that would be on a tire with a much larger and stronger sidewall.
I too am considering a 2nd set of wheels/tires for my WL74 SR just for off roading - I would prefer 18's there may be an issue with brake clearance on the V8 models. I can't yet confirm that, but something to look into further before making a purchase.
As far as the brake clearance, the Overland's have those tires in the offroad package and also have the V8, so I don't think there would be a problem....
 

MrBreeze

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As far as the brake clearance, the Overland's have those tires in the offroad package and also have the V8, so I don't think there would be a problem....
Good to hear. I've seen a couple wheel configurators that call out that the 18" on V8 models don't fit. I didn't have any real-world confirmation of that.
 

SweetAndLow

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I wanted to stick to the Jeep stock 265/60r18's but couldn't find a tire with the same diameter as the 275/45r21's on the SR. It's close but not exact, and I just don't know how off they would be without researching and doing math.

As far as the K02's, I know that they aren't exactly a snow tire, but they are a very good all around all terrain tire which is also severe snow rated. So, best of all worlds... I haven't really seen anybody say anything bad about them. While I'm not looking to take my 73k jeep rock crawling, it is a freaking jeep and if I want to drive on a rock beach or something, I'd rather have the k02's...
265/60r18 and 275/45r21 are almost exactly the same size like .7% different. the 265/60r18 is the same size that comes on the GCL that don't have 21" wheels. Normally anything within 2% diameter is ok if you are expecting stock like behaviors.
 

RichSNJ

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265/60r18 and 275/45r21 are almost exactly the same size like .7% different. the 265/60r18 is the same size that comes on the GCL that don't have 21" wheels. Normally anything within 2% diameter is ok if you are expecting stock like behaviors.
I assumed it would be close, but I just don't know how close is good enough. I believe I was able to find a tire that was .2 inches different in size, I'm not sure what that would equate to in MPH. It probably wouldn't be much, but I'd still rather calibrate it if it were possible to do so...
 

MrBreeze

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I assumed it would be close, but I just don't know how close is good enough. I believe I was able to find a tire that was .2 inches different in size, I'm not sure what that would equate to in MPH. It probably wouldn't be much, but I'd still rather calibrate it if it were possible to do so...
This site will give you what the delta is on speedo readings with various tire/wheel sizes: https://tire-calc.com/
 

SweetAndLow

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I assumed it would be close, but I just don't know how close is good enough. I believe I was able to find a tire that was .2 inches different in size, I'm not sure what that would equate to in MPH. It probably wouldn't be much, but I'd still rather calibrate it if it were possible to do so...
I think you are over thinking this. The Grand Cherokee L OEM tire is literally 265/60r18. There is nothing to recalibrate, that's one of the stock sizes from the manufacturer.
 

RichSNJ

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I think you are over thinking this. The Grand Cherokee L OEM tire is literally 265/60r18. There is nothing to recalibrate, that's one of the stock sizes from the manufacturer.
It is *a* stock tire, not my stock tire. 275/45r21's and 265/60/r18 are different in diameter. Speedometer adjustment is a real thing, I just want to know if it's something that I can do on my own or whether the dealer has to do it each time. Of course, if somebody tells me they know for a fact that the .2 inches difference won't make any difference, that's another story, a better story. But the fact that they list the different revs in the gcl spec sheet leads me to believe it does make a difference.
 

SweetAndLow

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It is *a* stock tire, not my stock tire. 275/45r21's and 265/60/r18 are different in diameter. Speedometer adjustment is a real thing, I just want to know if it's something that I can do on my own or whether the dealer has to do it each time. Of course, if somebody tells me they know for a fact that the .2 inches difference won't make any difference, that's another story, a better story. But the fact that they list the different revs in the gcl spec sheet leads me to believe it does make a difference.
what spec sheet?
 
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