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What Did Your Jeep Do To Itself Today?

Sarge

Well-known member
Most car forums have a 'What did you do to your Jeep today', so I thought I would start one that's more appropriate to the WL Grand Cherokee: "What Did Your Jeep Do To Itself Today?"

Today, my Jeep, "Forrest Gump" (it's like a box of chocolates), decided the Brake Hold feature is a 'part time' feature, like everything else, that may or may not operate if it isn't in the mood. By that I mean, the Brake Hold button was turned on, all the parameters listed in the owners manual were met, but it decided it was in a hurry, no time to explain. Forrest needed to run! It did this on an off throughout the day, working sometimes, and not others, for no apparent reason, at random... like the auto high beams, the rear hatch foot sensor, hatch buttons, hatch motor and lock release, CarPlay, the automatic wipers, the air suspension, the outside temp sensor, the entire HVAC system, Uconnect, all the memory settings, etc etc etc.

Today was also 'Opposite Day' for Forrest, as it decided that although I set it to 'dash vents' and all L/R/rear temp controls to "LO", Forrest was cold, so instead of blowing cool outside air into the cabin, it blew 120˚F HOT air through all the vents. (verified with a laser temp gun). How cool was it outside? Well, Forrest was sure it was 33˚F and said so right on the dash, although the local weather service and my laser temp gun agreed it was 55 and sunny at the time.

What could I do? Nothing, so I took a pretty picture of Forrest surrounded by his favorite color.

So, what did your Jeep do today?

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Rather than post all the text, the attached pdf has a list of Forrest's current and past issues. They're mostly electrical.
 

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Sarge

Well-known member
Jeep Cares once reached out to me and asked how they could help. I gave them my list and they deleted the post. They should call the account JeepCaresJustKidding. I called them on it and they gave me the customer service phone number. Like, thanks, but I already have it memorized... 🙄
 

Eric_in_rva

New member
In addition to the usual & expected UConnect issues, unreliable driver memory setting issues and constant air suspension fault issues...my 21 Overland decided yesterday that it no longer wanted to provide backup assistance to the driver. "Parksense Unavailable, Service Required". None of the exterior cameras work, backup cameras don't display in UConnect while in reverse. To top it off, while traveling over 70MPH on road trip yesterday, it falsely detected an object/vehicle in my path at least 4 times and did the weird high pitched alert and crap-your-pants BRAKE.
 

Sarge

Well-known member
Wow. Yours has a sixth sense; it sees dead people, and brakes for them. And we shall call yours Cole, after the little boy who sees dead people.

Seriously, that should be a serious enough issue that it happens once, and it gets bought back, are under the lemon law guidelines in a lot, if not all, states.

Have you ever been able to document that, or does the car record self-Induced acts of the emergency braking system in the ECU somewhere?
 

Sarge

Well-known member
Today, Forrest towed my Boston Whaler over the river and through the woods to the canvas shop in Idaho Falls, 100 miles away.

Forrest introduced himself to the nice man at the canvas shop by attempting to slam the mans' head with the lift gate while he was trying to disconnect the trailer chains (with the trailer lights still connected, and the car running (which one would think would be criteria for disabling the switch that only works reliably under this circumstance). The nice man was not amused. Forrest also tried to rear end the car in front of us at the light by refusing to engage the brake hold feature (even though it was turned on). Fortunately, I'm wise to Forrest's petulant ways and caught him in the act. He tried this thrice more today. Forrest, nonplussed by my stopping his fun, decided to stop displaying the current gear selected while in 'D' (it usually shows 'D5' or whatever gear it's in, but now the number is gone). Forrest also doesn't display any transmission information in the HUD, although he used to show the current gear. I haven't changed anything in the settings, so I have no idea why this is, except of course it's like that....

Another day, another 'quirk'. Or three. After stopping by the Jeep dealer to see if they had any SR's with black interiors I could look at, Forrest did decide to connect to CarPlay wirelessly, I guess because he realized I'm serious, or he's just textbook codependent. I really to think this car needs a therapist. The mechanics don't really understand him either... Maybe I should pour a bottle of whatever they give bipolar people in the gas tank? Speaking of which, with a bit under 1/3 tank indicated, forest swallowed 19.5 gallons of gas (at the auto pump shutoff, not topped off). Apparently I either have a 30 gallon tank, or I had 3.5 gallons (about 30 miles or less towing) remaining, which would mean I have about 100 miles of range when full. Except after leaving full, and driving 100 miles, the tank only showed 1/16 below full, which would mean I have about a 1,600 mile range. Because of course that gauge isn't defective too.

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Korros1v3

Well-known member
Red our 2021 GCL sits in the garage waiting for Jeep's Windshield manufacture to build more windshields. It would be great if we could drive it safely. Winter is coming which means no scraping the windshield if needed. And better wear gloves if you need to clean the glass. I think they should throw in a set of Windshield wipers too for our trouble because the current ones will be junk after they sometime next year fix the windshield.
 

bzjeep

Active member
In addition to the usual & expected UConnect issues, unreliable driver memory setting issues and constant air suspension fault issues...my 21 Overland decided yesterday that it no longer wanted to provide backup assistance to the driver. "Parksense Unavailable, Service Required". None of the exterior cameras work, backup cameras don't display in UConnect while in reverse. To top it off, while traveling over 70MPH on road trip yesterday, it falsely detected an object/vehicle in my path at least 4 times and did the weird high pitched alert and crap-your-pants BRAKE.
I have reported this behavior to my local dealer; however, no response even with video footage of it happening. I'll be bringing it up again at the next service. It only appears to happen when we approach a semi or large truck/SUV on the right side (i.e. passing on the right). The false alarm is quite startling and causes the vehicle to decelerate which I feel is a safety issue. I thought adjusting the sensitivity or disabling the forward collision warning would stop it from happening, but it still happens whenever we are using the radar cruise.
 

Sarge

Well-known member
Thanks for noticing. I'll take it off and bend it back when I turn it in in a few weeks. It's only like that because it's a lemon, at the end of the day:

I didn't install the plate holder as I didn't want it to act as a 'shelf' for snow accumulation to block the radar above it, and didn't bother with a more permanent solution in light of the now ten-months long buyback/replacement. Unfortunately the car wash bent it. Buyback deal is signed, though, so I'll live with it a few more weeks. I hope it doesn't bother you too much.
 

Sarge

Well-known member
Red our 2021 GCL sits in the garage waiting for Jeep's Windshield manufacture to build more windshields. It would be great if we could drive it safely. Winter is coming which means no scraping the windshield if needed. And better wear gloves if you need to clean the glass. I think they should throw in a set of Windshield wipers too for our trouble because the current ones will be junk after they sometime next year fix the windshield.
Are there no aftermarket suppliers of windshields yet? Wow. The OEM glass is usually higher quality, although some aftermarket ones are better than others.

I doubt you'll get them to give you new wiper blades, as those should generally be replaced yearly anyway. No harm in asking, though.
 

Kmecham

New member
Are there no aftermarket suppliers of windshields yet? Wow. The OEM glass is usually higher quality, although some aftermarket ones are better than others.

I doubt you'll get them to give you new wiper blades, as those should generally be replaced yearly anyway. No harm in asking, though.
Wow Sarge, I had no idea you left so near me. I wonder if your experience with the dealer and trying to get problems fixed? Is that all similar to mine. I assume you're dealing with the dealer in IF like I am correct? I only have about a third of the issues you encounter, but I'm quite tired of taking it in each time the seat moves and leans back at random times while backing out of my driveway or parking spaces at work, only to have a service department tell me they recalibrated it and reset it again but found no problem. The last time I insisted they open a star case but they didn't do it. I'm not as concerned about the memory positions getting screwed up every few weeks, which it has done consistently since we purchased it last November. But I feel like the seat moving back two or three inches and reclining halfway down at random when backing the vehicle up is a genuine safety concern.

We too have problem with defrost being ineffective unless on max, and the console being excruciatingly hot whenever using the heat along with drafts of cold air at least for front passengers. I found several parts of the ducting loose, and the dealer now claims everything is tight and assembled as it should be. This summer the AC was not cooling the air well and the dealer did find refrigerant leak. The after the new line came in and they recharged the system the air conditioning works better than it ever has. I have high hopes defrost will work better this winter. My build a date is 9/21, I wonder if yours is anywhere close and might share some defective parts.

Another issue ours has is at idle. A long enough trip to heat. The engine bay, we get a pretty strong thumping and vibration under the passenger footpan, which sounds a bit reminiscent of a helicopter. Unfortunately the dealer can never reproduce this. One time when it was particularly noisy I was close enough to the dealership to drop in. I got the service writer that has been handling all my issues to come ride with me to hear it. Unfortunately he told me the technician had gone home for the day so he told me I'd have to bring it back when it was acting up again for the technician to hear.

I have many of the issues with the 10-in Uconnect unit losing and changing settings at random, many of the behaviors you have noticed about features turning on or not working sometimes align with my experience. In many instances, the display doesn't reflect the state the feature is in, but toggling the setting back and forth will get it into a state where it works again. The service writer has been telling me since my late July appointment, that a software update is just around the corner that solves my problems with memory, radio features, and the problems with wireless carplay/Android Auto. He said the same thing 3 weeks later when I scheduled the next appointment for the seat trying to put me into sleeping position while backing out of the driveway onto the road. When picking up the vehicle after my September appointment I asked again if they looked into the update, and was told that mine is current and the latest version is mY21-R17.98. I reminded him that my unit was at MY21-R17.99 and that he's been telling me for months and update should be coming soon.

Maybe it's time for me to find a different dealer, as additionally, during my September appointment they did my first oil change, and after the short drive home when I parked it in my garage I noticed a bunch of smoke rolling out from under my hood. I quickly backed out of the garage, opened the hood and determined it was just oil, not an engine fire. After the smoke dissipated, I was preparing to clean up a ton of spilled oil and discovered that the dealership had managed to lose one of the bolts for my engine cover, strip out the threads in the mount for the other engine cover bolt, and had left a half quart or more of oil trapped in the gussets of the intake manifold and other various nooks in the top of the engine. I called the dealership back and talked to my service writer just before closing time and he said: "Oh I should have told you about that. I pressure washed it twice, and thought I got it cleaned up".

Maybe I need to take it to a different dealer, and maybe I should consider pursuing a buyback after all. In comparison, my 2012 Grand Cherokee has been absolutely flawless since we bought it new and we haven't done anything other than oil changes, tires, front shocks, and one new windshield.

I did have to replace the windshield on the 2021 Grand Cherokee L in August. It was quite expensive and Mopar was the only glass option at that time.
 
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Sarge

Well-known member
Wow Sarge, I had no idea you left so near me. I wonder if your experience with the dealer and trying to get problems fixed? Is that all similar to mine. I assume you're dealing with the dealer in IF like I am correct? I only have about a third of the issues you encounter, but I'm quite tired of taking it in each time the seat moves and leans back at random times while backing out of my driveway or parking spaces at work, only to have a service department tell me they recalibrated it and reset it again but found no problem. The last time I insisted they open a star case but they didn't do it. I'm not as concerned about the memory positions getting screwed up every few weeks, which it has done consistently since we purchased it last November. But I feel like the seat moving back two or three inches and reclining halfway down at random when backing the vehicle up is a genuine safety concern.

We too have problem with defrost being ineffective unless on max, and the console being excruciatingly hot whenever using the heat along with drafts of cold air at least for front passengers. I found several parts of the ducting loose, and the dealer now claims everything is tight and assembled as it should be. This summer the AC was not cooling the air well and the dealer did find refrigerant leak. The after the new line came in and they recharged the system the air conditioning works better than it ever has. I have high hopes defrost will work better this winter. My build a date is 9/21, I wonder if yours is anywhere close and might share some defective parts.

Another issue ours has is at idle. A long enough trip to heat. The engine bay, we get a pretty strong thumping and vibration under the passenger footpan, which sounds a bit reminiscent of a helicopter. Unfortunately the dealer can never reproduce this. One time when it was particularly noisy I was close enough to the dealership to drop in. I got the service writer that has been handling all my issues to come ride with me to hear it. Unfortunately he told me the technician had gone home for the day so he told me I'd have to bring it back when it was acting up again for the technician to hear.

I have many of the issues with the 10-in Uconnect unit losing and changing settings at random, many of the behaviors you have noticed about features turning on or not working sometimes align with my experience. In many instances, the display doesn't reflect the state the feature is in, but toggling the setting back and forth will get it into a state where it works again. The service writer has been telling me since my late July appointment, that a software update is just around the corner that solves my problems with memory, radio features, and the problems with wireless carplay/Android Auto. He said the same thing 3 weeks later when I scheduled the next appointment for the seat trying to put me into sleeping position while backing out of the driveway onto the road. When picking up the vehicle after my September appointment I asked again if they looked into the update, and was told that mine is current and the latest version is mY21-R17.98. I reminded him that my unit was at MY21-R17.99 and that he's been telling me for months and update should be coming soon.

Maybe it's time for me to find a different dealer, as additionally, during my September appointment they did my first oil change, and after the short drive home when I parked it in my garage I noticed a bunch of smoke rolling out from under my hood. I quickly backed out of the garage, opened the hood and determined it was just oil, not an engine fire. After the smoke dissipated, I was preparing to clean up a ton of spilled oil and discovered that the dealership had managed to lose one of the bolts for my engine cover, strip out the threads in the mount for the other engine cover bolt, and had left a half quart or more of oil trapped in the gussets of the intake manifold and other various nooks in the top of the engine. I called the dealership back and talked to my service writer just before closing time and he said: "Oh I should have told you about that. I pressure washed it twice, and thought I got it cleaned up".

Maybe I need to take it to a different dealer, and maybe I should consider pursuing a buyback after all. In comparison, my 2012 Grand Cherokee has been absolutely flawless since we bought it new and we haven't done anything other than oil changes, tires, front shocks, and one new windshield.

I did have to replace the windshield on the 2021 Grand Cherokee L in August. It was quite expensive and Mopar was the only glass option at that time.
I live in Jackson, so mine goes to Yeti Jeep over here. I have absolutely nothing but the best things to say about everyone at the dealership I've worked with. The GM, Erika Olsen has been wonderful, Tony and the other sales people are great. I don't know that we have the best prices on new cars necessarily b/c Jackson is such an absurdly wealthy town, and they're also a small dealership, but they're all really good people. My service guy, Seth, has been absolutely fantastic with all of this, but the problem is this is a new model and, as a car guy myself who has worked on a lot of my own cars/boats/RVs over the years, I totally understand when they can't figure something out - they open cases with the 'STAR Techs', I provide video documentation, etc... but when JEEP can't figure it out, they can't help my dealer techs either... They have always done excellent work, provided loaners, brought the car to my house and/or picked it up, etc though.

The real trouble is this: A friend of mine, who recently retired from Autoliv, and who lead development teams on everything from the Google and Apple cars to just about every major manufacturer, said this: 'FCA was one of the hardest companies to work with, because compared to any other big manufacturer, they do the least amount of in-house tech development, and their engineers think you can just plug in all these different systems as though they are as simple as legos, and nothing could be further from the truth. So when things don't work right, they have a harder time than anyone else solving the problems, and they take a lot longer to figure it all out - after production has started.'

So, a lot of the glitches may have hardware defects at the root, but the software code isn't robust enough to work around isolated failures, and you end up with all kinds of strange problems like I have. Some cars, where everything is put together right, work perfectly. But throw a digital wrench in things and you're screwed until they figure it out. Buying a first model year is signing up to be a beta tester, no exaggeration. Before my dealer got the updated scan tool for the WL from Jeep (last Dec/Jan), he was showing a few modules throwing codes, and with the new module plugged in, he said "holy shit! there's all kinds of errors!" (I was sitting next to him when he plugged it in). Now, it's not that there are actually defects with all those modules, it can be just one or two modules causing everything to collapse, and the software isn't sufficiently developed to work around the individual failures. Also, because they're running so many different types of signals over the low voltage bus system, any defects in the connections or wiring harness can trigger all sorts of random things. I think my car, in part, needs a new wiring harness to have any hope of ever working right. My problems are so widely varied, and so random, there's not much else to explain it, unless I really do have a whole bunch of defective modules.

Another person I've been talking to said there was a problem with the seat memory module that would create various problems with the memory setting retention, and could maybe create or be involved in what's going on with your seats, so that's the first place I'd look. Jeep knows about it at the corporate level. It was a problem with earlier builds, and has been rectified now per someone who definitely knows. Updating the code could be enough to fix it, or you may need a new module. It could also be something else, of course.

I think mine was built in October or something, I bought it 12/5/21. So it's around the same time as yours.

It's a bit of a drive to Jackson from IF, but maybe there's a dealer in Pocatello or somewhere you could try. Your dealer sounds like garbage, honestly. I've got nothing but good things to say about my dealer here. They just can't fix the car if Jeep doesn't know what to tell them either.
 

Kmecham

New member
I'm glad to hear that you have such a great dealership. I might have to give them a call Monday and see if they would like to take a crack at my vehicle. It would be an improvement to be taken seriously and actually get some of this documented on star cases, but the last few visits into the Idaho falls dealer have started to make me feel like I'm just getting strung along.

Thanks for taking the time to respond with the extra information. I saw you mentioned a couple posts back that your buyback is signed, have you figured out what you're going to get next?

I've made a point on business trips lately to get similar vehicles to compare. I'm not all that impressed with the explorer even with the turbo engine, definitely not a fan of either the Toyota 4Runner (too harsh and unrefined) or the Highlander, and was extremely surprised to find that a. 22 Cadillac XL6 was far less refined than my GCL. The best thing I've driven was a 22 GCL Limited that was flawless the entire week. I drove it. I'm pretty sure I have the right vehicle if I could get all the issues corrected.
 

Sarge

Well-known member
I'm hoping to get a deal sorted out on Tuesday for another GC. There's not a better car for us as an off road capable tow vehicle. That said, it's going to have to be a deal that makes up for the last 11 months of lemon ownership, and the last 9 months of being strung along by the executive 'fixer', who had promised all the magic, and then flat out ghosted me after four months (long absurd story) until I pushed ahead with the buyback (he was supposed to set up the replacement before the buyback, but went AWOL. No explanation, no apologies..). Ideally I'll get a good deal on a replacement and then trade that on the twin turbo when its available (my Hemi only makes about 290hp up here, and the new TTI6 will be 425hp regardless of the elevation).

Prior to testing this car, I was about to buy a diesel Tahoe or Denali Yukon, and the Sequoia is another contender. Nothing else in the midsize category has the off road capability I need for work or the towing capacity. I prefer the smaller size too, vs the full size rigs. I get family/friends pricing from Ford, supplier deal from GM, but the GC is a much preferable vehicle from every angle but power/economy... if it actually worked and wasn't such a totally irreparable electrical disaster. I can handle a problem here and there, but this thing has just been absurdly bad, and their resolution process has been just as good so far. Hopefully they decide to do the right thing and do something great to finally make up for it... and I get a good one next time. I should know next week.
 

Juggernaut

Well-known member
Thanks for noticing. I'll take it off and bend it back when I turn it in in a few weeks. It's only like that because it's a lemon, at the end of the day:

I didn't install the plate holder as I didn't want it to act as a 'shelf' for snow accumulation to block the radar above it, and didn't bother with a more permanent solution in light of the now ten-months long buyback/replacement. Unfortunately the car wash bent it. Buyback deal is signed, though, so I'll live with it a few more weeks. I hope it doesn't bother you too much.
That’s actually a pretty smart idea. My GCL has definitely fallen victim of the “snow shelf” in the winter. The designer should have thought of that and moved the radar sensor. I must say I enjoy your posts Sarge. I feel your pain but enjoy your humor. The Forrest story was great! I’m glad to have read that you got your buyback. On a side note, I do find it a bit eerie that this fellow honed in on your license plate to look at zip ties.
 
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