SweetAndLow
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lol it's not a discussion it's completely obvious, most people are just to stupid to know the difference.
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Hands Free Drivers Assist??
- Thread starter RichSNJ
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yes... hands free was available following the debut model year of the L. I have the original and it requires a very slight touch of the wheel to activate. I lower the steering wheel as low as it will go and rest the wheel on my leg. It works awesome. To my knowledge the more recent technology has a sensor that can tell if the driver is not looking at the road.
Jake22
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hands-free classic
eleceng1979
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🍿tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies…
Jake22
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Bbiggers340
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What about when the dealership includes lifetime synthetic oil changes and tire rotation
eleceng1979
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Since I’m an idiot, I wouldn’t listen to me…
1. Not sure, but Mopar doesn’t sell a synthetic Mopar branded oil. Since most dealers kicked 3rd party oil brands out of the service area in order to push Mopar branded oil, not sure if they can actually do synthetic oil changes. My dealer is in a rural area, maybe better dealers have better oil.
2. Penzoil is the only manufacturer of synthetic oil in the USA to my knowledge that meets Chrysler MS-6395 specifications. So again, what would a dealer put in? Stuff that voids their warranty?
3. My dealer has a guy who forgot to tighten lug nuts on 2 vehicles. Keep in mind, not all service techs are ASE certified, only one has to be.
4. Mopar filters are good, but not good enough for 10K intervals per the oil life calculation
5. 10K intervals on conventional oil, yeah ok lol. The dealer won’t change oil for free unless your past 75-80% life used, which pushes you to a long interval on conventional.
1. Not sure, but Mopar doesn’t sell a synthetic Mopar branded oil. Since most dealers kicked 3rd party oil brands out of the service area in order to push Mopar branded oil, not sure if they can actually do synthetic oil changes. My dealer is in a rural area, maybe better dealers have better oil.
2. Penzoil is the only manufacturer of synthetic oil in the USA to my knowledge that meets Chrysler MS-6395 specifications. So again, what would a dealer put in? Stuff that voids their warranty?
3. My dealer has a guy who forgot to tighten lug nuts on 2 vehicles. Keep in mind, not all service techs are ASE certified, only one has to be.
4. Mopar filters are good, but not good enough for 10K intervals per the oil life calculation
5. 10K intervals on conventional oil, yeah ok lol. The dealer won’t change oil for free unless your past 75-80% life used, which pushes you to a long interval on conventional.
Jake22
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SweetAndLow
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lol if that's what you tell yourself to make it ok then go for it. Technically you paid for that Free for life service when you bought your car or all the other service you do there, it's never 'free'.
again even if it's free I would never use a dealership for any kind of service including oil changes. They use low quality oil and low quality individuals who do the work.
Jake22
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congrats
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eleceng1979
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@Jake22,
1. You showed a picture of full synthetic not the shot that says Mopar oil. No shit it goes 20K, it’s synthetic.
2. My point was Mopar oil is conventional at dealers and people have 10K miles computers programmed. Owners who are ignorant will drive 10K on conventional oil, get it changed at a dealer, with more conventional. See the service $$ loop on selling new motors.
3. No Mobil oil passes MS-6395, only penzoil. Keep selling that lie. Keep telling folks user manuals and certifications on oil bottles don’t matter.
4. Your still trolling to bury Jeep stupidity. In the process you forgot I had a hemi and no longer own it.
5. How did you get banned again from the Jeep Garage Forum? Was that due to listing brand new vehicles for sale or your rude comments?
6. Do you even bother to read what I type or do you just respond with pictures?
7. The only engine that takes 0-20 in the FCA fleet is the 6.2-6.4L I believe, when in truck or HP apps.. No Jeep V6/5.7 V8 uses 0-20, only 5-20.
Back to the OP. Auto steering/driving in the WL is worse than a drunk driving it. This is not the lane correction/fake rumble strips. This was the full auto drive with driver babysitting. It won’t track straight, the curve prediction doesn’t happen and turns after the curve, over reacting, and is just an accident waiting to happen while on the freeway with 3+ lanes. It is pointless, does nothing to help a driver, and could easily cause an accident quickly if left unchecked. It is a first attempt, but really? It is very bad and fail to see how it made it to release status. It should have been kept back and not released in 21’. Maybe the new stuff is better, don’t know and don’t care. I left Jeep.
1. You showed a picture of full synthetic not the shot that says Mopar oil. No shit it goes 20K, it’s synthetic.
2. My point was Mopar oil is conventional at dealers and people have 10K miles computers programmed. Owners who are ignorant will drive 10K on conventional oil, get it changed at a dealer, with more conventional. See the service $$ loop on selling new motors.
3. No Mobil oil passes MS-6395, only penzoil. Keep selling that lie. Keep telling folks user manuals and certifications on oil bottles don’t matter.
4. Your still trolling to bury Jeep stupidity. In the process you forgot I had a hemi and no longer own it.
5. How did you get banned again from the Jeep Garage Forum? Was that due to listing brand new vehicles for sale or your rude comments?
6. Do you even bother to read what I type or do you just respond with pictures?
7. The only engine that takes 0-20 in the FCA fleet is the 6.2-6.4L I believe, when in truck or HP apps.. No Jeep V6/5.7 V8 uses 0-20, only 5-20.
Back to the OP. Auto steering/driving in the WL is worse than a drunk driving it. This is not the lane correction/fake rumble strips. This was the full auto drive with driver babysitting. It won’t track straight, the curve prediction doesn’t happen and turns after the curve, over reacting, and is just an accident waiting to happen while on the freeway with 3+ lanes. It is pointless, does nothing to help a driver, and could easily cause an accident quickly if left unchecked. It is a first attempt, but really? It is very bad and fail to see how it made it to release status. It should have been kept back and not released in 21’. Maybe the new stuff is better, don’t know and don’t care. I left Jeep.
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RichSNJ
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I'm not sure how it was on the '21's, but I am actually very happy with the system on my '22. There are a few quirks, but they are easily managed and overall the system works very well. On a long trip the system is heavenly.
The only "dangerous" times are if I engage the system while I'm actively slowing down with a car in front of me, which is probably a stupid thing to do, but sometimes it wants to accelerate right away to get the set speed rather than look and see if there's something in front of me first. This is sort of the behavior when you signal a lane change with it active, it assumes that you're passing the upcoming vehicle in front of you and beings to accelerate to your set speed - which is usually the correct action. The other really dangerous thing it does is on some state's roads where they will sometimes have one lane do a lazy split into 2 lanes, it doesn't know what to do and so it might suddenly veer towards the middle of the split rather than choosing a lane. There are none of these types of features anywhere near me, but I know what to expect when I see them, so not a big deal. My wife's Kia does the same thing and its worse on her car.
You could say that it's "dangerous" when it's going around a sharp turn and the screen goes red and reports that the turn is too sharp and says it's going to disengage, but I think they did a great job with the system. It says it's going to disengage, but it doesn't really, it keeps the turn as best it can. It would be dangerous if it suddenly let the wheel go slack in the middle of a turn. I understand the limitations of it and know know what kind of curve is going to cause an issue, and quite frankly, any significant curve I'm going to apply pressure to it anyway just to be safe.
The driver assist is just that, it's supposed to assist you, you're supposed to stay in control, if people don't do that, that's on them.
That being said, I'd still like to have the hands free option that I was promised, even though I would probably never use it hands free. I mostly want it for the lane changing ability without having to wait for the system to re-engage. Plus, I assume that since the roads are mapped, it would help alleviate the lane split issue.
Jake22
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eleceng1979
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As always, you are always correct about 1 thing I said. The 21' manual for V6 stated 0W-20. 5W-20 for hemi.
2021 GCL USA Manual
Engine Oil – 5.7L Engine
We recommend you use API Certified SAE 5W-20 Engine Oil, meeting the
requirements of the manufacturer Material Standard MS-6395 such as
Mopar®, Pennzoil, Shell Helix or equivalent. Refer to your engine oil filler cap
for correct SAE grade.
2021 GCL USA Manual
Engine Oil – 5.7L Engine
We recommend you use API Certified SAE 5W-20 Engine Oil, meeting the
requirements of the manufacturer Material Standard MS-6395 such as
Mopar®, Pennzoil, Shell Helix or equivalent. Refer to your engine oil filler cap
for correct SAE grade.
Jake22
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I know
Jake22
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useless rambling...there's no point 🙃
SweetAndLow
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The active driving assist feature has been great for us. We us it around town and on the highway, 10/10 works great.
Sarge
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They were supposed to have launched the 'new and improved' hands free driving (with the option to have it change lanes via the turn signal IIRC) by now, which uses a camera to monitor eye movement for forward attention on the road, but they still haven't done it.
I noticed my '23 SR has an option for 'drowsy driver alert', which I thought also used the same camera, but after a 2500 mile road trip last week, I can say that mine has no clue when the driver is drowsy. My wife even said she thought she fell asleep at one point while driving (middle of nowhere I-15 with no cars around). I know I was drowsy at points as I drove all night on the way down to SD, and had the option 'activated' in Uconnect, but it never made a peep. I even tried to 'fool' it into calling me out, and... nothing (one eye closed, the other just cracked, hand touching the wheel to satisfy the self driving system, no body movements at all).
I noticed my '23 SR has an option for 'drowsy driver alert', which I thought also used the same camera, but after a 2500 mile road trip last week, I can say that mine has no clue when the driver is drowsy. My wife even said she thought she fell asleep at one point while driving (middle of nowhere I-15 with no cars around). I know I was drowsy at points as I drove all night on the way down to SD, and had the option 'activated' in Uconnect, but it never made a peep. I even tried to 'fool' it into calling me out, and... nothing (one eye closed, the other just cracked, hand touching the wheel to satisfy the self driving system, no body movements at all).
Sarge
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My '23 that I took delivery of a couple weeks ago is exactly the same as my '21 was. They haven't changed anything as far as I can tell, except the software updates to improve performance.
fifthwheel
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Silly me as I thought I was the only one that figured out that little hack. It does work great and is much more user friendly than the light touch of your hand.