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2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit Reserve Delivery!
- Thread starter rkpearson3
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This article from last June says that Hands-Free ADA won’t be available as a post-sale add-on: “Jeep won’t be borrowing Ford’s strategy of a post-sale update to add the feature in.” That article is specifically talking about 2021 GCLs, so the answer may be different for 2022 GCs. (But I doubt it.)
price.fallin
Active member
I'm pretty sure that's referencing Ford's remote software update. I would be shocked if 1) Jeep requires additional hardware to run handsfree on 2022's and 2) they don't set up the hardware to be added later. Ideally, we could just get an over-the-air update to enable it too... 
It doesn’t seem like you’re following terribly closely. The article I linked (and the quote I included) specifically says that Jeep, unlike Ford, will not be implementing Hands-Free ADA as an after-sale add-on. And we already know that the driver-facing camera that it requires is not standard equipment, and there has been no indication thus far that you can add it later.I'm pretty sure that's referencing Ford's remote software update. I would be shocked if 1) Jeep requires additional hardware to run handsfree on 2022's and 2) they don't set up the hardware to be added later. Ideally, we could just get an over-the-air update to enable it too...
RiseAgainst
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Actually, there is an indication it can be added later, and fallin is the one who tracked it down.
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I saw that after posting. I’m sure a lot of people would be pretty happy if that’s so!Actually, there is an indication it can be added later, and fallin is the one who tracked it down.
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calcuttaman
Member
rkpearson3 Could you post a view of the rear end. Wondering about the trailer hitch.
Scott
Well-known member
I hope you are right. The camera part could also just be a replacement part for someone who had it already(factory installed when available).Actually, there is an indication it can be added later, and fallin is the one who tracked it down.
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WranglerDan
Active member
I wonder if the camera is/could also be part of the Drowsy Driver detection? Sorry if this has already been asked.
RiseAgainst
Well-known member
Perhaps, but it's listed as a part for 2021 models, and no 2021 models were equipped with the camera. Particularly since Jeep apparently is charging a subscription for hands-free active driver assist, it makes sense that they would make the hardware available so people can add the system post-purchase and subscribe to the service.
Sarge
Well-known member
You would definitely need the 'drowsy driver' camera and all the related hardware/software to 'upgrade' to hands free.
The current system is often so bad that I don't know that I'd want my hands that far from the wheel anyway. I hope they improve the software on the '21, because sometimes it drives like a drunk driver (indefinitely weaving in the lane), sometimes it crowds the centerline (badly), sometimes it wants to drive over the shoulder line and will fight you if you try to correct it, and other times it does fine. Using it feels like you're a beta tester monitoring a life-or-death 'feature'.
The current system is often so bad that I don't know that I'd want my hands that far from the wheel anyway. I hope they improve the software on the '21, because sometimes it drives like a drunk driver (indefinitely weaving in the lane), sometimes it crowds the centerline (badly), sometimes it wants to drive over the shoulder line and will fight you if you try to correct it, and other times it does fine. Using it feels like you're a beta tester monitoring a life-or-death 'feature'.
According to the manual, the Hands-Free system uses at least the following hardware:
* the Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) system, including radar sensors and forward facing camera
* sensors within the steering wheel and a driver monitoring camera located on top of the steering column to monitor driver attentiveness
* sensors, including Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) sensors, to determine if a lane change is possible
* the Forward Collision Warning and Pedestrian Emergency Braking systems
* the Assist and SOS system
It’s possible that other hardware is needed, but it’s a safe bet that you need at least those things.
* the Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) system, including radar sensors and forward facing camera
* sensors within the steering wheel and a driver monitoring camera located on top of the steering column to monitor driver attentiveness
* sensors, including Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) sensors, to determine if a lane change is possible
* the Forward Collision Warning and Pedestrian Emergency Braking systems
* the Assist and SOS system
It’s possible that other hardware is needed, but it’s a safe bet that you need at least those things.
RiseAgainst
Well-known member
As an example, the SR has all of those features except the camera. I feel confident those vehicles equipped with the semi-active hands-on driving assist can add the future driving assist by installing the camera.
Sarge
Well-known member
That's probably true (anything can be done with enough time and $), but I'm not sure Jeep will support/warranty it, and so then there's the issue of the dealer being able to install the software if it's "not allowed". The other components would need new firmware and the OS would need the 'drivers' for it all in addition to the upgraded program software, I would imagine.
The old model interfaces with the touch system on the wheel, so that would need to be cut off in the software/hardware too. You'd have to make it very stock to not have issues with the software, and then theres's the issue of VIN-specific future system updates that might override whatever 'customization' needed to be done to get it all to work.
Hence, Jeep would probably have to support it outright. I'm not a software engineer, but I've spent enough time around vehicles and computers to be leery of all this. Hopefully I'm wrong, or Jeep decides to support the upgrade. They have so many electrical malfunctions in these cars (like the dozens of problems in mine), that I can't see them spending the time and money to do it anytime soon.
(i'd like to add the ELSD to mine, too, but that seems unlikely for the same reasons)
The old model interfaces with the touch system on the wheel, so that would need to be cut off in the software/hardware too. You'd have to make it very stock to not have issues with the software, and then theres's the issue of VIN-specific future system updates that might override whatever 'customization' needed to be done to get it all to work.
Hence, Jeep would probably have to support it outright. I'm not a software engineer, but I've spent enough time around vehicles and computers to be leery of all this. Hopefully I'm wrong, or Jeep decides to support the upgrade. They have so many electrical malfunctions in these cars (like the dozens of problems in mine), that I can't see them spending the time and money to do it anytime soon.
(i'd like to add the ELSD to mine, too, but that seems unlikely for the same reasons)
PeakingFox
New member
We have a BMW X7 and it has a drowsy driver camera mounted above the speedometer and it’s a great function and safety feature.
price.fallin
Active member
After reading the 2022 GC manual, it sounds like the drowsy driver detection just monitors driving patterns (ex. veering into other lanes several times).
The camera referenced above sounds like the outside camera on the front of the car.
This is my thought as well. If you read the GC manual, really the only thing else the hand-free ADA monitors is the driver with that camera over the steering column. Seems like a really simple addition. My only concern is exactly what @Sarge mentioned: if Jeep would allow service departments to install the update for hands-free ADA. If the update can be applied over the air then my confidence goes way up.
I know there was an older article from mid-June about Jeep not supporting hands-free ADA support with a "post-sale update" but that 1) that article is super old, 2) the article references the 2021 GC L model!, and 3) it is more likely (at least to me) that the hands-free ADA will be supported in the future now that we know there needs to be a driver-facing camera and one is available for purchase as a part... for the 2021 model.
source: https://www.slashgear.com/lincoln-a...-hands-free-driver-assistance-party-16678645/
Also, to note: "Ford's strategy" being referenced in the quote above was related to a purely over-the-air update, no hardware needed.
source: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/fords-bluecruise-hands-free-driving-roll-out-delayed/
jeepdriver
Well-known member
Not a gimmick. They're my favorite features as well. Everyone who checks ours out is amazed by them as well.
I left out the multicolor ambient lighting, which is used to communicate system status and driver engagement warnings.
So with all that taken together, I think the only trim levels that have all the necessary hardware apart from the driver monitoring camera are Summit/Summit Reserve and Overland… but Overland might need the Advanced Pro Tech Group to complete the list; I can’t tell for sure.
It is probably not a coincidence, then, that the only trim levels that include Base Active Driving Assist are Overland with the Advanced Pro Tech Group and Summit/Summit Reserve.
So while it’s possible that you might be able to upgrade Base ADA to Hands-Free by adding the driver monitoring camera and getting the Hands-Free subscription, it seems pretty unlikely to me that you could add either form of ADA to a GC that doesn’t already have Base ADA.